24 Jan 2011 Organizers Meeting Notes

moderated by DearMYRTLE

Several members of the BetterGEDCOM wiki met in the site's chat room beginning at 4:09pm Pacific US time.


2011-01-24 15:55
2011-01-24 16:09:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: shall we begin ?
2011-01-24 16:09:27 [Message] ttwetmore -> Organizers Meeting: yes
2011-01-24 16:09:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: My agenda items:
2011-01-24 16:09:56 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Might as well- but recording will be delayed :(
2011-01-24 16:10:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I can just do this in typed chat if ok with everyone.
2011-01-24 16:10:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I don't have reliable internet
2011-01-24 16:10:28 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so I am SURE it won't support go to meeting.
2011-01-24 16:10:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: * Test recording of GoToMeeting and "Andy's Choice" alternate. (Cannot use GoToMeeting, since DearMYRTLE cannot attend.) * Report on large file sharing options - Andy * Report on DimDim as a conference interface - DearMYRTLE. The website states "To prospective customers: Thank you for your interest, but we are no longer accepting new registrations. "
2011-01-24 16:10:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ooops... three items there.
2011-01-24 16:10:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Andy, you've done some testing?
2011-01-24 16:10:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: how is it NORMALLY working
2011-01-24 16:11:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (I can get a log of the chat room no problem!)
2011-01-24 16:11:35 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Yes- Testing went well- now computer acts up but in a nutshell...
2011-01-24 16:11:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: does it do audio and video?
2011-01-24 16:12:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: i guess his computer is acting up....
2011-01-24 16:12:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Let's let him speak out of order, as he is able....
2011-01-24 16:12:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:12:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:13:11 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Recording won't be a problem- can even split into recordings for each agenda item for small files. Now just to pick where were want to store them so people can download. or can store one big file. Not sure yet just how bing a single recorded meeting would be as that would limit storage sites.
2011-01-24 16:13:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:13:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:13:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: The software is called ????
2011-01-24 16:13:45 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: This computer is fine. it is the other one that I'm trying to record on that is acting up.
2011-01-24 16:13:49 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: oic
2011-01-24 16:14:02 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Replay Video Capture is the program.
2011-01-24 16:14:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2011-01-24 16:14:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: does it work like Camtasia?
2011-01-24 16:14:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (recording audio and video of what's happening on the computer screen?)
2011-01-24 16:14:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: THANKS for looking into this Andy.
2011-01-24 16:15:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:15:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:15:26 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Yes- captures the screen and video- really simple to use.
2011-01-24 16:15:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Report on DimDim as a conference interface -- no longer accepting new accounts. So this option is out as an alternative to GoToMeeting.com.
2011-01-24 16:15:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:15:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:15:46 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Thank-you.
2011-01-24 16:15:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anything else before we move on?
2011-01-24 16:16:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:16:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:16:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok
2011-01-24 16:16:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: for the large file storage space
2011-01-24 16:16:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: any ideas there?
2011-01-24 16:16:50 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: what about setting up a DROP BOX account? They are free?
2011-01-24 16:17:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and you can share the file --- though must specify the email of those to share it with... so not the best solution.
2011-01-24 16:17:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Dropbox is free.
2011-01-24 16:17:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Any other suggestions here?
2011-01-24 16:17:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:17:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:17:59 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Yes- tweo choices- can get 200 MB for free at several places 2Gig for 99 cents per month or 5 Gig for $9/mo.
2011-01-24 16:18:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: oic
2011-01-24 16:18:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and one meeting recording could be how big??? DO we know that yet?
2011-01-24 16:18:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:18:30 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: So it really depends on if we want one full recording or a recording per agenda item.
2011-01-24 16:18:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:18:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I think that though I usually keep to an agenda -- much of the conversation flows
2011-01-24 16:19:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and occasionally I take agenda items out of order.
2011-01-24 16:19:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:19:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:19:09 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: No idea of a full recorded meeting size- that was what I was hoping to do at our next audio meeting.
2011-01-24 16:19:15 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nods
2011-01-24 16:19:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok
2011-01-24 16:19:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so let's EXPERIMENT with a full recording
2011-01-24 16:19:49 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Out of order wouldn't be a problem as each file could be named.
2011-01-24 16:19:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok
2011-01-24 16:20:07 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok- Next Mondays development meeting?
2011-01-24 16:20:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: whatever you think best... you are the keeper of that software.
2011-01-24 16:20:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: sure --- let's give it a try.
2011-01-24 16:20:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ;-)
2011-01-24 16:20:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:20:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:20:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anything else we can do to support you on this Andy?
2011-01-24 16:20:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:20:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:20:43 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok- will do it- I'l beat thsi darn computer into submission by then ! :)
2011-01-24 16:20:57 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Nope- I think that covers it-thanks.
2011-01-24 16:21:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: probably too many "hidden programs" open or something?
2011-01-24 16:21:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I have no doubt you'll solve the problems, Andy.
2011-01-24 16:21:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:21:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:21:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:21:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: OK
2011-01-24 16:21:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: for an added agenda item
2011-01-24 16:21:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: what shall we do since 21 people voted this past week.
2011-01-24 16:21:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: only 2 of the 3 organizers for instance.
2011-01-24 16:22:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we don't have a majority
2011-01-24 16:22:07 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: If 20% of people voted in the Federal election, would they still count it?
2011-01-24 16:22:16 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: They had their chance. What was result- did 75% of the 21 agree?
2011-01-24 16:22:28 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: let me see
2011-01-24 16:23:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 7. BetterGEDCOM should not impose restrictions on item lengths fot 14 yes votes and 3 eys I can live with it.
2011-01-24 16:23:33 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Proposed new definitions:
2011-01-24 16:23:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but 4. BetterGEDCOM must not impose restrictions on ANY field length. for 10 and 8
2011-01-24 16:24:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so it carries the day.
2011-01-24 16:24:07 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: A quarm shal be those participating in a meeting- regardless of the number.
2011-01-24 16:24:44 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: A Consensus shal be ^^% of those voteing in a survey
2011-01-24 16:24:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Roberts Rules says it is of the membership, unless the by-laws state otherwise. I had problems with that on my Gen. Soc. board one time.
2011-01-24 16:24:46 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: :)
2011-01-24 16:24:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: well
2011-01-24 16:25:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: what do we think about all of this.
2011-01-24 16:25:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I found it interesting that one person didn't choose to vote since she said she didn't know enough about it to vote.
2011-01-24 16:25:42 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: I thought we had an agreement early on. This was the first test, right?
2011-01-24 16:25:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: our own guidelines will have to be revisited at the Developers Meeting this next monday.
2011-01-24 16:25:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Right -- this was our first test.
2011-01-24 16:26:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: not distraught or anything.
2011-01-24 16:26:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we are learning how to function as a group[
2011-01-24 16:26:12 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Have we adopted Robert's rules?? I don't remember it being voted on? :)
2011-01-24 16:26:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: not top-down dictatorship.
2011-01-24 16:26:25 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: You need to set a minimum quorum, say 10 people.
2011-01-24 16:26:28 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: any group defaults to Robert's rules.
2011-01-24 16:26:53 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: maybe what we can do is this......
2011-01-24 16:27:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: allow the rest of the group
2011-01-24 16:27:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: to object
2011-01-24 16:27:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: or accept
2011-01-24 16:27:19 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and then we ahve a consensus
2011-01-24 16:27:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:27:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:27:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: just thinking out loud here...
2011-01-24 16:27:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we don't have to do anything I say.
2011-01-24 16:27:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:27:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:27:36 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: I think one issue is the Calendar or meeting announcements so "those present" might be an issue
2011-01-24 16:27:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: just thinking and playing devil's advocate.
2011-01-24 16:27:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: soemthing wrong with the calendar, meeting announcements?
2011-01-24 16:28:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I did announce the vote bia email in Wikispaces to everyone.
2011-01-24 16:28:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:28:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:28:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but I trust everyone to see the calendar
2011-01-24 16:28:19 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Hmm... we only have 6 here now- can we do anything? :)
2011-01-24 16:28:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and the meeting announcements.
2011-01-24 16:28:26 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Last week, for example, the meeting ended up by bing on Tuesday, right? I didn't see that announcement
2011-01-24 16:28:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: what meetingon Tuesday?
2011-01-24 16:29:00 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Huh? I didn't know about a tuesday meeting.
2011-01-24 16:29:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: neither did I.
2011-01-24 16:29:20 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: So far all meetings have been on Tuesday...
2011-01-24 16:29:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes, for yOu Tamura.... ;)
2011-01-24 16:29:47 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: For the entire Internet, actually...
2011-01-24 16:30:00 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: I am trying to find it. I thought there was a meeting with Andy and GeneJ where only two folks attended with minutes
2011-01-24 16:30:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: our meetingsd haveb een on the 3, 10th and 17th.
2011-01-24 16:30:20 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Sorry, I thought there was another meeting
2011-01-24 16:30:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: hmmmmmm
2011-01-24 16:30:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: there WAS a meeting that only GeneJ and Andy attended.
2011-01-24 16:30:37 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: It was me and GeneJ one day.
2011-01-24 16:30:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: had to do with my being in SLIG
2011-01-24 16:30:43 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: There was one I missed-
2011-01-24 16:30:44 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Secret meetings? Spill the beans!
2011-01-24 16:30:46 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok just the two of you?
2011-01-24 16:30:50 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: LOL
2011-01-24 16:30:58 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Time to set up BetterLeaks?
2011-01-24 16:31:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: heheheheheheheheeeee
2011-01-24 16:31:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok
2011-01-24 16:31:06 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: LOL!! ;)
2011-01-24 16:31:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: let's do this
2011-01-24 16:31:08 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Noone else showed up - two weeks ago?
2011-01-24 16:31:12 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Weren't there minutes or the Chat recorded?
2011-01-24 16:31:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ posted something I believe.
2011-01-24 16:31:27 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Sorry, it may have been two weeks ago.
2011-01-24 16:31:30 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ didn't get it in by midnight, but make up notes for it.
2011-01-24 16:31:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I was at slig.
2011-01-24 16:31:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that may be what happened.
2011-01-24 16:31:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anyway.
2011-01-24 16:31:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: let's remember our CALENDAR is up to date
2011-01-24 16:31:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and even if I cannot attend
2011-01-24 16:32:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: the meetings will be held.
2011-01-24 16:32:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:32:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:32:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: in fact we should work out a contingency plan
2011-01-24 16:32:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: in fact we should work out a contingency plan
2011-01-24 16:32:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: for when I cannot attend.
2011-01-24 16:32:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:32:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:32:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anyway
2011-01-24 16:32:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: at our Monday meeting (Developers Meeting) this coming week, let's:
2011-01-24 16:32:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: try out the recording plan Andy is working on.
2011-01-24 16:32:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:32:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:32:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and discuss the voting
2011-01-24 16:33:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I haven't yet posted all the responses to the vote
2011-01-24 16:33:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: because of my traveling.
2011-01-24 16:33:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:33:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:33:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: any other thoughts?
2011-01-24 16:33:34 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I think that if things get voted on one at a time like this, there will be no connection between them and everything will be a mess ... and it will take forever.
2011-01-24 16:33:50 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:33:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:33:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes it WILL take forever
2011-01-24 16:34:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: however, this was just our first test.
2011-01-24 16:34:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and I am sure that we can vote faster
2011-01-24 16:34:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: on more items per week
2011-01-24 16:34:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: etc.
2011-01-24 16:34:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and I don't normally do this much traveling.
2011-01-24 16:34:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:34:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:35:06 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I hope someone (you) is very organized and prepared to fire these things off one after another.
2011-01-24 16:35:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: well, the unfortunate part is that SURVEY MONKEY is my husband's account
2011-01-24 16:35:48 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but we agreed that COMMENTS/DISCUSSION would go forth Mon-Wed, then voting would happen Wed-Fri.
2011-01-24 16:35:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nothing says we cannot do more than one thing per week though.
2011-01-24 16:36:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Tamura wrote wondering if the wiki project had problems
2011-01-24 16:36:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: since there was so little action this week.
2011-01-24 16:36:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:36:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:36:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:36:43 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: We did get instructions to only concentrate on goals this week.
2011-01-24 16:36:48 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Then came the voting.
2011-01-24 16:36:49 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: right.
2011-01-24 16:36:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:36:57 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: And we all waited.
2011-01-24 16:37:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but I couldn't very well psot the results until now
2011-01-24 16:37:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: as I was speaking on Sat
2011-01-24 16:37:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and we drove home Sun and Mon.
2011-01-24 16:37:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so having SOMEONE ELSE also with access to survey monkey may be advisable.
2011-01-24 16:37:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: since the account we're using is my husband's
2011-01-24 16:37:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: then perhaps we should just try the freebie version.
2011-01-24 16:38:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and give several persons the admin access info
2011-01-24 16:38:19 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so no one person has to post the survey
2011-01-24 16:38:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and gather the results.
2011-01-24 16:38:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:38:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:38:38 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Why not use a discussion item on the Wiki. Do we care who sees how we vote?
2011-01-24 16:38:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: no we don't care who sees how we vote.
2011-01-24 16:39:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (I don't care)
2011-01-24 16:39:15 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Then just make an item: Vote on this: (a) (b) (c)
2011-01-24 16:39:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so did it work to have ONE PAGE to discuss?
2011-01-24 16:39:23 [Login] Now_Recording
2011-01-24 16:39:23 [IP] Now_Recording: 98.193.175.25
2011-01-24 16:39:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: like on the top of the page?
2011-01-24 16:39:23 [Join Room] Now_Recording -> Chat Lobby
2011-01-24 16:39:28 [Join Room] Now_Recording -> Organizers Meeting
2011-01-24 16:39:28 [Exit Room] Now_Recording -> Chat Lobby
2011-01-24 16:39:30 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Yup
2011-01-24 16:40:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok, and folsk can EDIT the page with their vote by placing their name next to yes, yes I can live with it, or no.
2011-01-24 16:40:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:40:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:40:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that sounds mighty interesting.
2011-01-24 16:40:18 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: KISS
2011-01-24 16:40:20 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok- this will only get the video but lets see how it goes.
2011-01-24 16:40:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and it takes the onus off of me.
2011-01-24 16:40:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I like that idea
2011-01-24 16:40:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: how did it work to limit the dsicussion to one page?
2011-01-24 16:41:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: as opposed to all over the wiki?
2011-01-24 16:41:05 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: If there's no overhead, the roof can't fall on you.
2011-01-24 16:41:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: was that too slow?
2011-01-24 16:41:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: LOL
2011-01-24 16:41:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: kewl ideas here gentlemen.
2011-01-24 16:41:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: how about having a VOTING PAGE
2011-01-24 16:41:58 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: We've got the wiki. Let's use it. How much free space available here for uploads?
2011-01-24 16:42:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: with links back to PAGES with discussion boards?
2011-01-24 16:42:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but the VOTING is then announced on the OPENING PAGE
2011-01-24 16:42:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: with an official announcment to all via email.
2011-01-24 16:42:37 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: 0002ok- two minutes of video only is 53.29 MB
2011-01-24 16:42:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: can you each send an email to everyone?
2011-01-24 16:43:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: or is it only admins that can send to EVERYONE on the wiki?
2011-01-24 16:43:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that seems like a large file
2011-01-24 16:43:16 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Not everyone is comfortable editing a wiki page just to vote.
2011-01-24 16:43:18 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Everyone can send an email to everyone. I've done it.
2011-01-24 16:43:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: thanks louis... wasn't sure how it looks for a non-admin.
2011-01-24 16:43:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Andy has a very good point there.
2011-01-24 16:43:49 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Why not a page and compent limited to a) Like
2011-01-24 16:43:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: not everyone is comfortable editing a page to vote.
2011-01-24 16:43:56 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: b) can Live with
2011-01-24 16:43:58 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Andy, we're saying it will be a discussion item for voting one vote.
2011-01-24 16:44:10 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: C0 Can't live with
2011-01-24 16:44:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that ONE VOTE is an interesting component
2011-01-24 16:44:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: as there were so many items to vote for this past week... I worried we'd ahve a tie.
2011-01-24 16:44:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: The one that had the msot yes votes didn't win overall, though. Isn't that interesting?
2011-01-24 16:45:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Ok for our TEST VOTE #2 let's do it in the wiki.
2011-01-24 16:45:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:45:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:46:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and the have EACH PART of the test have it's own page
2011-01-24 16:46:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: with references to the discussion board.
2011-01-24 16:46:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:46:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:46:46 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: there should be four items on the discussion board
2011-01-24 16:46:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 1. NO Vote (please vote only once)
2011-01-24 16:47:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 2. YES, I can live with it Vote (Please vote only once)
2011-01-24 16:47:28 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 3. YES vote (Please vote only once)
2011-01-24 16:47:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and
2011-01-24 16:47:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 4. Discussion
2011-01-24 16:47:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: on the page
2011-01-24 16:47:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: describe the proposal.
2011-01-24 16:47:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and explain the voting rules and cut-off date.
2011-01-24 16:48:11 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Yes. Do it. ... I'm afraid I've got to leave my computer as supper is on it's 4th call already. I'll stay logged in so I can view the log later. I'll see if I get back before you all leave.
2011-01-24 16:48:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and then ALL discussion happens in #4.
2011-01-24 16:48:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok.... bye Louis.
2011-01-24 16:48:49 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: thanks
2011-01-24 16:48:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: shall we try this for the coming test, every one?
2011-01-24 16:49:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: is that how you envisioned it?
2011-01-24 16:49:14 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: That sounds like the way to go- easy and simple- no editing, etc.
2011-01-24 16:49:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Wonderful!!!
2011-01-24 16:49:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:49:24 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2011-01-24 16:49:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:49:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we learn by doing, I'd say.
2011-01-24 16:49:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: sounds like a plan.
2011-01-24 16:49:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: OK.
2011-01-24 16:49:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so I'll post the minutes for this meeting
2011-01-24 16:49:50 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and let everyone know about it.
2011-01-24 16:49:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but I can barely sit at this point.
2011-01-24 16:50:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so I won't do the posting for a little bit.
2011-01-24 16:50:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I don't think I should be a major part of the equation owing to my back and walking issues.
2011-01-24 16:50:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:50:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:50:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: this way you all can take up the slack.
2011-01-24 16:50:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: HOWEVER
2011-01-24 16:50:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ALL VOTING should be approved don't you think?
2011-01-24 16:51:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so that we're not sending out 25 different vote requests to all BetterGEDCOM wikispaces members?
2011-01-24 16:51:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: approved/coordinated
2011-01-24 16:51:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and that prevents some folks who might join us from attempting to push their own agenda.... too much.
2011-01-24 16:51:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: what can we do here?
2011-01-24 16:52:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we COULD have 25 votes in a week
2011-01-24 16:52:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: on 25 different items
2011-01-24 16:52:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but they should be coordinated
2011-01-24 16:52:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and not all over the map
2011-01-24 16:52:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so that people can RELATE to the discussion boards and vote.
2011-01-24 16:52:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I received a number of [ppsonal emails
2011-01-24 16:52:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: from wiki members who felt the limited, one page discussion really focused
2011-01-24 16:53:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: for folks who don't like the width abd depth of a wiki method for communicating.
2011-01-24 16:53:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (6 people)
2011-01-24 16:53:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: what say ye?
2011-01-24 16:53:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: how can we handle multiple items to vote?
2011-01-24 16:53:48 [Message] ttwetmore -> Organizers Meeting: I dread the decisions on the technical issues of the model
2011-01-24 16:53:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: how about working up to them, to post on MONDAY in one MASTER email about votes for the week.
2011-01-24 16:53:58 [Message] ttwetmore -> Organizers Meeting: And that's all I'm really waiting for!!
2011-01-24 16:54:29 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (me too, Tom)
2011-01-24 16:54:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: or post a MASTER PAGE - for voting this week...
2011-01-24 16:54:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: where you can list your vote request
2011-01-24 16:55:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and provide a link to the page with the proposal (and that page has the directions for voting on the discussion board tab for that page).
2011-01-24 16:55:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:55:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 16:55:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so then everyone will know to look only at the MASTER PROPOSAL PAGE
2011-01-24 16:55:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: each week
2011-01-24 16:55:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: to see what's being voted on?
2011-01-24 16:56:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that way we don't rely on mass emails either?!!!
2011-01-24 16:56:17 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: "New Proposal" might be a better name
2011-01-24 16:56:28 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: proposalsssssssss
2011-01-24 16:56:43 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: New proposals
2011-01-24 16:56:50 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: sounds great to me.
2011-01-24 16:56:57 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: with the accent on the ssssss's :)
2011-01-24 16:57:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: good- - then we can make progress.
2011-01-24 16:57:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: sooooooo.....
2011-01-24 16:57:17 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: The only problem with that is that you must come to the Wiki. An email that something has been posted to check might get more folks to the wiki for a vote
2011-01-24 16:57:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: oh that is a great point, Russ.
2011-01-24 16:57:43 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Regularly announcing voting results will get ppl to the wiki too...
2011-01-24 16:58:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: also I COULD be fudging the results, since only I can see the SURVEY MONKEY
2011-01-24 16:58:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but having it on the wiki DOES make it very public.
2011-01-24 16:58:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so how about every wednesday
2011-01-24 16:58:24 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Mabe after getting them to the Wiki we can get them to meetings! ;)
2011-01-24 16:58:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: someone sends out a REMEMBER TO VOTE message to all wiki members with a link to the NEW PROPOSALS page....
2011-01-24 16:59:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: where the various proposals are listed and hyperlinked
2011-01-24 16:59:03 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Yes
2011-01-24 16:59:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: got it
2011-01-24 16:59:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that's a great idea, Russ.
2011-01-24 16:59:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so let's do this too
2011-01-24 16:59:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: as you add an item to the NEW PROPOSALS page
2011-01-24 16:59:44 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: I read all of the emails from the wiki, but I don't necessily come to the wiki
2011-01-24 17:00:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (me too!)
2011-01-24 17:00:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: be sure to prefix your announcement/link
2011-01-24 17:00:18 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: If it's important to me, I'll come to the wiki. A Vote would
2011-01-24 17:00:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: with your BG Wikispaces name
2011-01-24 17:00:31 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I read all teh e-mails but only come the the Wiki for meetings :)
2011-01-24 17:00:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so that people can identify you with the proposals
2011-01-24 17:00:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and are able to post provate emails via wikispaces to you if they wish?
2011-01-24 17:00:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 17:00:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 17:01:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: does this make sense?
2011-01-24 17:01:59 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Makes sens to me- or will when I re-read the log :)
2011-01-24 17:02:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: okie dokie
2011-01-24 17:02:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: now we've met for just about an hour!
2011-01-24 17:02:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and we've created an alternative.
2011-01-24 17:02:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: very creative!
2011-01-24 17:02:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and kewl!
2011-01-24 17:02:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 17:02:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 17:02:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anything else before we adjourn?
2011-01-24 17:02:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (This is just the sort of thing we attempt to work through at an organizers meeting -- the mechanics of running this project)
2011-01-24 17:03:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 17:03:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-01-24 17:03:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: all in favor of cookies and milk, and then adjourning... say AYE!!!
2011-01-24 17:03:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ;)
2011-01-24 17:03:31 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: AYE!!!
2011-01-24 17:03:32 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: zSur
2011-01-24 17:03:36 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Aye
2011-01-24 17:03:43 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Ayayayyay
2011-01-24 17:03:54 [Disconnect] ttwetmore
2011-01-24 17:03:57 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: I have an off-topic question
2011-01-24 17:03:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: :::giggle:::::
2011-01-24 17:04:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: noters everyone!
2011-01-24 17:04:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: bye